tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post3447799334443053238..comments2024-01-04T14:05:06.829-05:00Comments on <center>Everything Audio Network</center>: Audiophile Review!HDMI De-Embedder OffersHigh-Res Conduit For Universal Players John Gatskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08354278547637768269noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-21288122835763560132016-10-19T14:38:20.640-04:002016-10-19T14:38:20.640-04:00Hi John,
This has been a very helpful blog indeed...Hi John,<br /><br />This has been a very helpful blog indeed, many thanks for that!<br /><br />I have invested in a Mytek stereo192-DSD this year and thought a SONY UHP-H1 might serve me well as a reasonably priced transport for my CDs, SACDs, DVD-As (and BDs with DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD content), so I just bought one.<br /><br />Unfortunately I wasn't yet aware of the HDCP / EDID handshake issue at the time of purchase.<br />(I could still return the player and be refunded, but haven't got enough time to order and test a recommended de-embedder.)<br /><br />Do you know whether or not the SONY UHP-H1 is a handshake-compliant player?<br />Thank you for your help!<br /><br />Best regards, <br /><br />Nicholas (Germany)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-78691973351754488432016-09-28T22:56:50.707-04:002016-09-28T22:56:50.707-04:00Mr. Garcia: The BDP-105 DAC is good player and the...Mr. Garcia: The BDP-105 DAC is good player and the ESS onboard DAC is very good.Takes a pretty good standalone DAC to beat it. Benchmark Dac 2, Mytek Brooklyn do the job, but it sets you back $2,000. You gotta spend about $2,000 to beat the player DAC<br /><br /><br />John GatskiJohn Gatskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08354278547637768269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-72984687659573589812016-09-19T22:42:45.243-04:002016-09-19T22:42:45.243-04:00Thanks so much for posting this article, its been ...Thanks so much for posting this article, its been a huge help. I just bought an Oppo 103 and plan on buying the KanexPro to run HDMI through my aftermarket DAC. In your opinion, how does audio from an aftermarket DAC via Kanexpro compare to the Oppo 105's highly touted audio section?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17201583144437165400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-67044061802854768282016-05-01T10:17:24.619-04:002016-05-01T10:17:24.619-04:00John I have a universal player Maranzt 9600 SACD D...John I have a universal player Maranzt 9600 SACD DVDA that I utilize directly with my preamp.But I would like to use the Weiss Minerva DAC DSD instead of the internal DAC in Marantz.I understood that using the HDMI out of Marantz into the de-embedder and out to the DAC I will get PCM signal into the DAC.But is it a way of getting DSD to my DAC from de-embedder? I thanks you so much for your helpfrancisco gaston de iriartehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733937375430708741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-44513961908975544492016-05-01T06:42:09.379-04:002016-05-01T06:42:09.379-04:00John Thanks in advance for your help.I have a Mine...John Thanks in advance for your help.I have a Minerva Weiss DAC with usb DSD and Marantz 9600 universal player.I want to improve the sound quality of the Marantz using the external DAC.I have a lot of SACD and DVD A. Using the Kanex Pro from HDMI output of Marantz I will get PCM in the DAC , but not DSD, could you please confirm? Because I can directly plug in my preamp the output from Marantz which is analog.I think the improvement of quality would be the best quality of my DAC compared with the internal one in Marantz.francisco gaston de iriartehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733937375430708741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-68115810014189645112016-03-07T08:39:44.946-05:002016-03-07T08:39:44.946-05:00Make sure you have selected HDMI output on the Opp...Make sure you have selected HDMI output on the Oppo from the player menu If you choose SPDIF out, no signal gets to de-embedder. . I have two 105's and the Kanex. The Oppos' relay the hi-res from data BDs, DVD's, thumb drives all the way to 24/192. DVD-A i down sampled to 16/48, unlike the BDP-95, which could 24/192 from DVD-A.<br /><br />John GatskiJohn Gatskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08354278547637768269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-14712902866609425452016-02-02T17:59:46.550-05:002016-02-02T17:59:46.550-05:00To confirm, did the Kanexpro HDMI de-embedder requ...To confirm, did the Kanexpro HDMI de-embedder require you to use the HDMI output in order to draw digital audio out of the coaxial audio output?<br /><br />Tried the unit with my Oppo BDP-105, via HDMI2, and a coaxial cable into my stereo DAC and could not get a signal with either 2.0/5.1 channel option selected on the Kanexpro and with every combination of Oppo audio processing and downmix settings.<br /><br />The light always stayed red, until I tried hooking my TV up to the HDMI output of the Kanexpro box, then the light changed to blue and the video signal was passed to the TV. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-32133314467917993712015-12-03T21:01:42.668-05:002015-12-03T21:01:42.668-05:00Hi John, like others, thanks a ton for a serious...Hi John, like others, thanks a ton for a serious education on audiophile bd performance and the de-embedder. Already have an external dac and just purchased the de-embedder/cables. I am looking to buy a pioneer elite(oppo is out of my league). you had good results with a bdp52. There are bdp 62's and 80's available for a reasonable price. can you elaborate on what pioneer elite player you know will pass hi res audio other than the bdp5 or where else to look for such info? thanks.Steve Izzonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-22919016136890541132015-09-12T08:56:01.158-04:002015-09-12T08:56:01.158-04:00Hello John !
Thank you so much for your review, i...Hello John !<br /><br />Thank you so much for your review, it helped me a lot choosing a de-embedder !<br /><br />I bought the Kanex HAECOAX in april, after having read a million articles on the internet about how to extract the hi-res audio from a HDMI signal ... none of them were really helpful, except yours !<br /><br />Finally, your review decided me to buy it (Amazon US), fortunately they ship to France.<br /><br />BD player : Toshiba BDX 4500 / Amp : Yamaha R-N500 (I use the coaxial input).<br />I can listen BD Pure Audio (192/24 or 96/24) with this tiny device and it sounds great !<br /><br />VoronoV.VoronoVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04105283713460296902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-45575371182472988822015-08-25T15:30:04.536-04:002015-08-25T15:30:04.536-04:00Jovan: Your described setup scenario with Marantz ...Jovan: Your described setup scenario with Marantz UD-5007/Kanex should be passing hi-res, but your DAC has no indicators.You will just have to take on faith that hi-res is passing through. Now some sources, such as commercial BD may not output hi-res unless there is a dedicated stereo PCM tracks. But with DVD-A, HD Tracks Downloads, etc., the Marantz will pass 24/192 audio via HDMI. If you want a visual indicator of sample rate and word length (16 or 24 bit), get a DAC that displays that info, such as Benchmark, Oppo...Hope this helps. BTW, the Marantz has vg onboard converters<br /><br />John GatskiJohn Gatskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08354278547637768269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-16452641335636870312015-08-24T10:24:02.995-04:002015-08-24T10:24:02.995-04:00John I try to contact you but now in hope that you...John I try to contact you but now in hope that you will find time to answer me just to make my equipment to work as i wish<br />-Marantz ud5007 hdmi output set to PCM ( NoT BITSTREAM)<br />-Kanex works without redlight (below to 2.0 indicator) so i suppose that is set to default 5.1 as you suggest for high resolution (i need stereo but player allow switch to stereo)<br />-further via coax to dac from dac via rca to strero amplifier.<br />Thats it. I have arcam rdac so there are not indicators for resolution that can helps me. You alredy know protocol thats why I am asking your confirmation.<br />Best regards<br />JovanUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13886662629925432705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-49145816315434414682015-07-26T14:16:35.467-04:002015-07-26T14:16:35.467-04:00We have tested the Kanex. It does indeed transmit ...We have tested the Kanex. It does indeed transmit up to 24/192 from the digital output. However the transmitting HDMI device has to allow it. There are many TVs, BD players, etc. that limit word length and sample rate. The HDMI de-embedder will only pass hi-res if the host allows it. My Oppo and pioneer Elite players allow full res via HDMI; my Samsung, Sony and Yamaha BD players do not.John Gatskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08354278547637768269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-18214789907026081902015-07-20T17:36:45.097-04:002015-07-20T17:36:45.097-04:00I am using one of these with a Blackberry Playbook...I am using one of these with a Blackberry Playbook. When playing 24/96 files stored on the playbook and outputted via the BB's hdmi port through the Kanex and into my Audiolab MDAC, the MDAC shows its playing at 16/48 either through coax or optical input from the Kanex. The same thing happens when playing the same 24/96 file from my computer into the MDAC via the Kanex i.e. still shows 16/48 so it's not a problem with the Blackberry. If I play the same file via USB straight into the MDAC the latter shows 24/96. So is the Kanex really transmitting 24/96? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-57602973397469437652015-06-24T19:00:07.731-04:002015-06-24T19:00:07.731-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04476645657821532616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-85256318184314851232015-06-24T18:54:38.605-04:002015-06-24T18:54:38.605-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04476645657821532616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-65053643877010810082015-05-19T20:31:59.089-04:002015-05-19T20:31:59.089-04:00I have not tried to link Chromecast to A/V gear. I...I have not tried to link Chromecast to A/V gear. If you are transmitting the audio via the HDMI to the de-embedder, you might be able to get Dolby Digital 5.1 out the SPDIF. You won't get multichannel hi-res surround.<br /><br />John GatskiJohn Gatskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08354278547637768269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-6244115456039298412015-05-18T17:35:56.179-04:002015-05-18T17:35:56.179-04:00Hi John, Thanks for great article. Wonder if these...Hi John, Thanks for great article. Wonder if these can decode Chromecast 5.1 audio to spdif to Onkyo AV receiver which has no HDMI. Was looking into essence HdAC when I stumbled on your review. Any thoughts would be helpful. Currently My current setup is Chromecast to TV which o my allows 2.1 spdif to receiver.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01199348188412584979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-48389400837326513342015-03-01T21:28:16.156-05:002015-03-01T21:28:16.156-05:00The reason to leave the HDMI de-embedder in the 5....The reason to leave the HDMI de-embedder in the 5.1 mode, which the Kanex defaults to as well as Monoprice, is that the sample rate stays native. The two-channel mode on the HDMI boxes is for connecting to TVs, thus the sample rates drops to 48 kHz. Leave Kanex in 5,1 mode for the native res of the recording. BTW, the HDMI de-embedders will not pass hi-res audio from BD players that don’t have a open pipeline via the HDMI conduit. I have sampled many Samsung, Yamaha, Sony etc. that are locked at 16/48. Pioneer, Oppo, Marantz and Denon models do pass up to 192/24--at least as of two years ago. Higher-end BD players are becoming fewer and fewer. If you use an Oppo BDP-105 for downloads, you can use the SPDIF for everything but DSD.<br /><br />John Gatski<br />PublisherJohn Gatskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08354278547637768269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-16750760789485006662015-03-01T05:03:31.329-05:002015-03-01T05:03:31.329-05:00John,
If we use Kanex just as a road between sourc...John,<br />If we use Kanex just as a road between source and dac, can we conclude for KAnex that: 5.1 is default and it should stay like that even when our signal from source is 2.0 24/96 or 192.<br />For dsd/pcm via hdmi signal before kanex is 24/88.<br /><br />I understood your review like that but some comments after confuse me.<br />Regards and thanks a lot for comment in advance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-56686832442402517092015-02-23T21:23:56.614-05:002015-02-23T21:23:56.614-05:00The UD-7007 passes BD audio, DVD-A, and data PCM u...The UD-7007 passes BD audio, DVD-A, and data PCM up to 24/192 from the HDMI. It only passes DSD directly to a receiver or prepro that is capable of decoding the full res DSD bitstream. The HDMI de-embedder only transmits the DSD-to-PCM conversion that takes place in the player. 24/88.2. I don't like onboard dsd-to-PCM conversion. You are better off listening to SACD via UD-7007 converters.<br />The UD-7007 is an excellent BD and audio plyer. I use one for playing HD Tracks from USB sticks.<br /><br />John Gatski<br />PublisherJohn Gatskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08354278547637768269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-89133060990527249022015-02-23T11:56:21.610-05:002015-02-23T11:56:21.610-05:00John, I was interested for UD5007 (cheaper option)...John, I was interested for UD5007 (cheaper option) but if you didnt test it, no matter.<br />If you can confirm for ud7007 cause i cant check it by myself<br /><br />signal via hdmi output:<br />- BRA_ as its specified on disc (24/96,24/192)<br />- DVA_ as its specified on disc ( same as BR)<br />- SACD_ dsd direct or conversion to PCM 24/88Oginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-44036818249640820392014-11-24T21:55:29.523-05:002014-11-24T21:55:29.523-05:00John,
I have a Samsung BD-P1500 connected via an ...John,<br /><br />I have a Samsung BD-P1500 connected via an optical cable to a Peachtree Dac-it D/A converter.<br /><br />According to the User Manual for the BD-P1500, "PCM Down Sampling - select Off when the Amplifier connected to the to the player is 96 KHz compatible. Signals will be output without any changes."<br /><br />Based on a that, it would seem that I do not need any de-imbedder and my admittedly subjective listening sees to confirm that, when I play Blue Ray discs with 192/24 material, i.e. The newly released Pure Audio recording of Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique LS00757.<br />It sounds "fantastic"!<br /><br />What do you think? Is the BD P-1500 up to snuff?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-82579969767094036922014-10-30T00:49:04.735-04:002014-10-30T00:49:04.735-04:00David:
I don't know about UD5007, but UD7007...David:<br /> I don't know about UD5007, but UD7007, outputs 24/88 PC from DSD via HDMI. In my opinion, it sounds okay, but not as good as the native decoding from the player. The UD7007 is a mighty fine SACD player.<br />BTW, I am now testing the Essence HDAAC DAC,A/D headphone amp/preamp (an audiophile army knife) that is one of the few DACS with real HDMI input. IFor a 5V DC powered DAC, it works really well and has impressive audio quality, smooth and detailed, for $699. You don't have to add a HDMI box if you use it with an Oppo, etc. It already has an HDMI input<br /><br /><br />John GatskiJohn Gatskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08354278547637768269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-48471616309246477692014-10-28T15:54:43.487-04:002014-10-28T15:54:43.487-04:00Hi, John:
Thank you for your very informative inf...Hi, John:<br /><br />Thank you for your very informative information to discuss about de-embedder and HDMI-output music. The specific question I have is the Marantz UD 5007's output specification for SACD. Does it handle 24bit/192Hz or it will down convert everything into 16Bit/48Hz?<br /><br />Thank you very much,<br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br />DavidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1164996683602462088.post-28844913701543631692014-08-20T20:49:49.557-04:002014-08-20T20:49:49.557-04:00I have not personally used that player. Several of...I have not personally used that player. Several of the later Elite players would output hi-res via a de-embedder. Do you have the de-embedder set to 5.1 mode or stereo. Sometimes it makes a difference. BTW, if you can get full-res from the coax, you don't need the de-embedder, except for BD music. I run a Pioneer BDP-52 Elite from the coax for DVD-A. USB, BD and DVD-Data hi-res files. Works great.<br /><br /><br />John Gatski<br />Publisher<br />John Gatskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08354278547637768269noreply@blogger.com